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Dzjudz · Nov 17, 2010, 02:42 AM // 02:42

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

And I doubt you would concede at all, more like just claim more BS about it.

Nah I'm not that invested in keeping a certain view. Maybe it doesn't show from my posts (words on the internet can give off a wrong vibe) but I'd welcome legitimate proof.

For now, let's just agree to disagree on the subject.

Pleikki · Nov 17, 2010, 05:44 AM // 05:44

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. The areas bots can farm are not the proper areas for the drop

U guys completely Forget About Vermins in cantha! it allways been botable, and still is Tho noneone bots it or even farms in nm, That area drops Celestials and used drop alot r7-8's, Celestials Being most common r7-8 From cantha prettymuch!

spun ducky · Nov 17, 2010, 05:52 AM // 05:52

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Originally Posted by Pleikki

U guys completely Forget About Vermins in cantha! it allways been botable, and still is Tho noneone bots it or even farms in nm, That area drops Celestials and used drop alot r7-8's, Celestials Being most common r7-8 From cantha prettymuch!

In all fairness most of those probably came from heavy farming players as the bots of the time were still almost entirely macro based. It was long before full function wrappers and more modern bots that can get at the engine's internals. I was actually working on a bot for a bit that its sole purpose was to collect low req items that was non macro based. I think I might start work on it again as I don't really play anymore and I have spare accounts that do nothing.

I think it would be worth it to run a few just to prove a point

I usually get pretty bored during winter break from the university and need to keep up my coding and circuit analysis skills with hobby projects.

Pleikki · Nov 17, 2010, 05:56 AM // 05:56

Yeah i've been trying get ppl To try get those drops, Id even like to see max r8 Gold sword drop would make my day even tho its knewn theyre possible i havent seen any ;( Its example how rare theyre it, Personally i tried farm vermins abit sometime ago. i had 2-3 r8 offhands but nothing else intresting. some 1pt off r8's

Looking Forward for ur project ducky! ^^

manitoba1073 · Nov 17, 2010, 06:11 AM // 06:11

lol, I never really cared much for vermin farming. I did nap quarter solo for much better celestial drops.

Why you want a r8 sword Pleikki?

bhavv · Nov 17, 2010, 06:32 AM // 06:32

I've recently had a req 7 AR 15 shield, but it was plain white with no mods or slots. I merched it right away.

Nerel · Nov 17, 2010, 06:38 AM // 06:38

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Originally Posted by Pleikki

Looking Forward for ur project ducky! ^^

Because you endorse botting?

Yawgmoth · Nov 17, 2010, 07:12 AM // 07:12

@manitoba1073:
Stop spreading blatant lies and misinformation or someone might even believe in that xD
You think you got a word from a dev that actually wrote the GW drop code? WRONG. The man you're probably talking about didn't work at Arenanet yet back when the item generation code was written! - the current version of the items' base stat generation algorithms is dated back to around Jan'2005, had nothing more than just minor changes since then till release and since release there was only 1 (one) change to it and a very simple one - a number 8 was changed into a number 9!

Now everything we get in effect, all the possible weapon base stat and req combination are just an interpolation.

*lemming* · Nov 17, 2010, 07:21 AM // 07:21

Keep in mind that Anet has a history of not knowing how their game works.

manitoba1073 · Nov 17, 2010, 08:09 AM // 08:09

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

@manitoba1073:
Stop spreading blatant lies and misinformation or someone might even believe in that xD
You think you got a word from a dev that actually wrote the GW drop code? WRONG. The man you're probably talking about didn't work at Arenanet yet back when the item generation code was written! - the current version of the items' base stat generation algorithms is dated back to around Jan'2005, had nothing more than just minor changes since then till release and since release there was only 1 (one) change to it and a very simple one - a number 8 was changed into a number 9!

Now everything we get in effect, all the possible weapon base stat and req combination are just an interpolation.

LOL, Yag you are so funny. Not really.

There you go folks outa Yags mouth that Gaile and John ( The one who wrote the code) lied to us all. Because Yag claims he didnt work there.

apoggy · Nov 17, 2010, 08:31 AM // 08:31

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

1. Which was after EotN, as I said long after NF.

2. Once again as I said it was well after EotN. Now do you seriously believe someone would have held onto a un-id'd r8 zodiac staff that long and just whimiscally sold it for 5k? We're talking before EotN those were going 500k+.

Inscriptions were added with nightfall, hence no inherant spears/scythes (aside from the bugged halloween items).

The update to staves also happened at the same time, 2 days before NF release so that staff must have dropped on or before 25th October 2006, so therefore proves nothing at this point.

This argument will go round in circles until:

1. People get bored, then it will resurface in 3 months time, or
2. A req 7 MAX Gold item drops, with screenshots on the ground, or a Req 8 MAX Gold drops that isn't one that has already been confirmed as still dropping.

sixdartbart · Nov 17, 2010, 08:38 AM // 08:38

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

Quite frankly though I dont really care whether you guys or gals believe that they don't drop.

For someone who claims to not care if people believe you or not you sure seem pretty invested in getting people to believe you in this thread.

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

There you go folks outa Yags mouth that Gaile and John ( The one who wrote the code) lied to us all. Because Yag claims he didnt work there.

The MPB is only 1 small example of Gaile not knowing what she was talking about when she shared her wisdom with the masses and it would litterally take pages and pages of forum posts to cover everything she said over the years that she was just flat wrong about.
If you want to take her word for whatever she says feel free to do that but know that aside from some actuall proof and not a pic of a staff that hasn't been a possible drop since 2006 people are not going to take your word for it.

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Originally Posted by Pleikki

U guys completely Forget About Vermins in cantha! it allways been botable, and still is Tho noneone bots it or even farms in nm, That area drops Celestials and used drop alot r7-8's, Celestials Being most common r7-8 From cantha prettymuch!

I still go farm these guys in nm pretty often just for finding 7s - 8s , a few max 8 swords and offhands and several 1-2 off 7s, something fun to hunt for when I'm bored even if I don't think I'll ever find another max 7 there.

spun ducky · Nov 17, 2010, 08:46 AM // 08:46

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Originally Posted by sixdartbart

If you want to take her word for whatever she says feel free to do that but know that aside from some actuall proof and not a pic of a staff that hasn't been a possible drop since 2006 people are not going to take your word for it.

It is ok I know a lot will not believe something without absolute proof and on the other hand those who say they can't drop anymore don't have complete proof either. That is the goal of my experiment to brute force an answer 20 accounts 24/7 that is doing data collection and should one drop storing it for evidence with a few print screens if one is detected to drop.

I think that is the best possible way for me to prove they still drop.

manitoba1073 · Nov 17, 2010, 08:57 AM // 08:57

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Originally Posted by sixdartbart

For someone who claims to not care if people believe you or not you sure seem pretty invested in getting people to believe you in this thread.

The MPB is only 1 small example of Gaile not knowing what she was talking about when she shared her wisdom with the masses and it would litterally take pages and pages of forum posts to cover everything she said over the years that she was just flat wrong about.
If you want to take her word for whatever she says feel free to do that but know that aside from some actuall proof and not a pic of a staff that hasn't been a possible drop since 2006 people are not going to take your word for it.

Just 1 little detail your missing here. The info was only passed from Gaile which she got from John. John the guy who wrote the loot code.

I dont care if ppl believe me, its from the DEV.

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Originally Posted by apoggy

Inscriptions were added with nightfall, hence no inherant spears/scythes (aside from the bugged halloween items).

The update to staves also happened at the same time, 2 days before NF release so that staff must have dropped on or before 25th October 2006, so therefore proves nothing at this point.

This argument will go round in circles until:

1. People get bored, then it will resurface in 3 months time, or
2. A req 7 MAX Gold item drops, with screenshots on the ground, or a Req 8 MAX Gold drops that isn't one that has already been confirmed as still dropping.

Um I think you really need to reread the update on which staffs they did change.
Green item staffs, crafted staffs, and collector staffs not drop staffs.

But hey here you go a inscripted sheild.

sixdartbart · Nov 17, 2010, 09:02 AM // 09:02

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Originally Posted by spun ducky

It is ok I know a lot will not believe something without absolute proof and on the other hand those who say they can't drop anymore don't have complete proof either. That is the goal of my experiment to brute force an answer 20 accounts 24/7 that is doing data collection and should one drop storing it for evidence with a few print screens if one is detected to drop.

I think that is the best possible way for me to prove they still drop.

Sounds like the best possible way to get 20 accounts banned for botting but it was good of you to come here and post your intentions.

As to proving they can't drop, how do you go about proving a negative again?
Myself and many others have been farming/chest running areas that have the best chance of dropping these to try and see if they can still drop.
I'm sure we would all welcome anyones evidence of one dropping so be sure and let us know if you find one before your accts all get banned.

apoggy · Nov 17, 2010, 09:06 AM // 09:06

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

Um I think you really need to reread the update on which staffs they did change.
Green item staffs, crafted staffs, and collector staffs not drop staffs.

But hey here you go a inscripted sheild.

1. They changed every staff that was already in existance that was Green, crafted or collector. But also everything that DROPPED since that date. Seen as you have a drop staff, that was to the non-inherant style, then this predates the update.

And also, you need to reread my post re: Req 8 Items

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or a Req 8 MAX Gold drops that isn't one that has already been confirmed as still dropping.

sixdartbart · Nov 17, 2010, 09:36 AM // 09:36

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

Just 1 little detail your missing here. The info was only passed from Gaile which she got from John. John the guy who wrote the loot code.

I dont care if ppl believe me, its from the DEV.

Um I think you really need to reread the update on which staffs they did change.
Green item staffs, crafted staffs, and collector staffs not drop staffs.

Well there you go, I think this makes your point rather well.

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Originally Posted by Wiki-Update - Wednesday October 25
,2006

Green item staffs, crafted staffs, and collector staffs with any sort of recharge bonus have been updated to reduce the recharge time of all spells with a chance of 20% instead of the attribute-specific bonuses they had previously.

This was offical information from your all knowing Devs and it looks to me like they posted incorrect/incomplete info on what exactly was changed as it is a WELL KNOWN FACT that this same update changed the dropped staffs the same way as the greens/crafted/collector staffs.

The fact that they got this wrong hardly makes some random statement from "John" relayed by "Gaile" a solid fact given their track record of incorrect/incomplete statements.
If you want to continue with the "but I read it on the internet so it has to be true" approach feel free but some guys cousin heard from his sister's friend that the clerk at 7-11 said so isn't all that convincing.

Perhaps a screen shot of a max req8 that isn't shields/foci/swords which have already been proven to still drop would work but repeating unreliable sources doesn't move this forward a bit.

Tender Care · Nov 17, 2010, 09:47 AM // 09:47

I just wonder what's the use for a none max dmg req 6 or 7 weapon (NOT SHIELDS).....i've had some of them farming in Tyria but everyone said they were to merch.

I ask to expert traders: what's the use of this items? i understand a low req shield can be used in pvp by casters, but a non max hammer??? what's the use except selling to collectionist??

Pleikki · Nov 17, 2010, 11:27 AM // 11:27

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Originally Posted by Tender Care

I just wonder what's the use for a none max dmg req 6 or 7 weapon (NOT SHIELDS).....i've had some of them farming in Tyria but everyone said they were to merch.

I ask to expert traders: what's the use of this items? i understand a low req shield can be used in pvp by casters, but a non max hammer??? what's the use except selling to collectionist??

Nothing rly for non max, Max ones we're speaking about here

Ofc some non max like r7 6-27 15^50/+5e Axes orso Canthan skins etc have lil value for collectibility

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Originally Posted by Nerel

Because you endorse botting?

And meh No, not rly i accept it but im looking forward for the data..
Tho i dont care if other ppl bot orso, its on their own expense get banned..